>>ANNOUNCER: TODAY ON
THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW:
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU
ONE MINUTE AFTER YOU DIE?
STATISTICS TELL US:
ONE HUNDRED AND SIX PEOPLE
DIE EVERY MINUTE. FIFTY-FIVE
THOUSAND PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY.
FOUR-AND-A HALF MILLION PEOPLE
DIE EVERY MONTH. AND FIFTY-SIX
MILLION PEOPLE DIE EACH YEAR.
IF YOU LIVE FOR SEVENTY
YEARS, OVER YOUR LIFETIME,
CLOSE TO FOUR BILLION PEOPLE
WILL HAVE DIED ON EARTH.
AND EVENTUALLY DEATH WILL
COME TO YOU AND TO ME.
NONE OF US WILL ESCAPE IT.
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY
EACH OF US WILL EXPERIENCE
ONE MINUTE AFTER WE DIE.
MY GUEST TODAY IS THEOLOGIAN
AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOR,
DR. ERWIN LUTZER, SENIOR
MINISTER OF MOODY CHURCH IN
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, WHO HAS
WRITTEN THE BOOK,
ONE MINUTE AFTER YOU DIE.
WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US
FOR THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF
THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW.
>>JOHN ANKERBERG: WELCOME TO
OUR PROGRAM. I'M JOHN
ANKERBERG. THANKS FOR JOINING
US. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
A TOPIC THAT APPLIES TO ALL
OF US, NAMELY, DEATH AND
WHAT COMES AFTER. WE HAVE
DR. ERWIN LUTZER WHO'S
WRITTEN A BESTSELLING BOOK
CALLED WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU
ONE MINUTE AFTER YOU DIE?
AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS
ON THE FEAR OF DYING, THE FEAR
OF DEATH. CAN I ASK YOU,
DO YOU FEAR DEATH?
MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE
TALKING ABOUT IT YOU FEAR IT
SO MUCH. MAYBE YOU FEAR DEATH
BECAUSE YOU'VE JUST LEARNED
THAT YOU HAVE A LIFE-ENDING
DISEASE AND YOU DON'T EVEN
KNOW HOW TO COPE WITH THAT.
MAYBE YOU HAVE HAD AN ACCIDENT
OR YOU'VE HAD TRAGEDIES THAT
HAVE HAPPENED TO YOUR FAMILY.
IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN TO YOU,
YOU'D WANT TO KNOW, WHERE
WOULD YOU BE ONE MINUTE AFTER
YOU DIED. AND WHAT INFORMATION
HAS GOD GIVEN TO US SO THAT
WE CAN OVERCOME OUR GREAT FEAR
OF DEATH? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT
TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
AND, ERWIN, START US OFF.
WHAT INFORMATION DOES GOD GIVE
TO US IN THE BIBLE THAT HELPS
EACH ONE OF US?
BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SUSCEPTIBLE
TO THIS, THAT FEAR OF DEATH.
>>DR. ERWIN LUTZER: JOHN, THIS
IS SUCH AN EXCELLENT QUESTION
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE
SITTING HERE AND WE'RE
DISCUSSING THESE MATTERS, IT'S
VERY RELEVANT TO ME BECAUSE
I HAVE A SISTER-IN-LAW IN
CANADA WHO IS ABOUT TO DIE.
SHE'S BEEN STRUGGLING WITH
CANCER. AND THE QUESTION IS,
HOW CAN SHE DIE IN PEACE?
NOW, I'M VERY GLAD TO BE ABLE
TO REPORT THAT SHE IS GOING TO
BE ABLE TO DIE IN PEACE
BECAUSE SHE KNOWS JESUS CHRIST
AS HER PERSONAL SAVIOR.
YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE IS VERY
REALISTIC ABOUT DEATH.
WE KNOW THAT IT BEGAN IN
THE GARDEN OF EDEN WHEN SATAN
LIED AND SAID, "YOU WILL NOT
DIE." AND AFTER ADAM AND EVE
ATE OF THE FRUIT,
YOU REMEMBER, THEY DIDN'T
DIE PHYSICALLY IMMEDIATELY,
BUT THE PROCESS OF DEATH
BEGAN. AND YOU AND I AND
EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS LISTENING
HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE,
BECAUSE GOD ALREADY KNOWS
EXACTLY WHEN WE ARE TO DIE.
BUT HERE IS A VERSE OF
SCRIPTURE THAT IS VERY
ENCOURAGING. PAUL WROTE THAT
DEATH IS ACTUALLY
THE POSSESSION OF
THE CHRISTIAN. HE WRITES IN
FIRST CORINTHIANS 3:21-22,
JUST A SNATCH OF THE VERSE,
"ALL THINGS ARE YOURS; WHETHER
PAUL... OR CEPHAS,...
WHETHER LIFE OR DEATH."
IMAGINE THIS: DEATH IS
PRESENTED IN THE BIBLE AS
ACTUALLY A GIFT.
IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE
IF WE WERE TO LIVE ENDLESSLY
IN THIS SINFUL BODY.
DEATH ACTUALLY IS THE MEANS BY
WHICH GOD TAKES HIS PEOPLE TO
HIMSELF. YOU KNOW, DURING
THE TIME OF THE PERSECUTION
OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS IT WAS
SAID OF THE CHRISTIANS,
"THEY CARRY THEIR DEAD AS IF
IN TRIUMPH." CYPRIAN WHO LIVED
IN THE EARLY CENTURIES SAID
THAT IT WAS THE PLAGUE,
AND BECAUSE OF THE PLAGUE
CHRISTIANITY SPREAD BECAUSE
EVERYONE REALIZED CHRISTIANS
DIED DIFFERENTLY THAN
THE PAGANS. CHRISTIANS DIE
WITH HOPE BECAUSE OF JESUS
CHRIST OUR SAVIOR.
AND THE BIBLE SAYS IN THE BOOK
OF HEBREWS THAT JESUS CAME TO
DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL
AND DELIVER THOSE WHO "THROUGH
FEAR OF DEATH HAVE BEEN
SUBJECT TO BONDAGE."
SO, JOHN, TODAY IF WE'RE
TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
AFRAID TO DIE, AND I'M SURE
THAT WE ARE, THE GOOD NEWS
IS THAT JESUS HELPS US
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ON
THE OTHER SIDE. AND BELIEVE
IT OR NOT, WE NEED NOT FEAR
DEATH. IT IS A PLACE THAT IS
UNKNOWN, BUT THANKFULLY
WE KNOW WHAT LIES ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
>>ANKERBERG: THAT'S FOR
CHRISTIANS. AND YET,
THERE SHOULD BE A FEAR OF
DEATH FOR PEOPLE THAT DO NOT
KNOW CHRIST. LAST WEEK TALKED
ABOUT THE HEART DOCTOR,
THE HEART SURGEON DR. MAURICE
RAWLINGS, THAT WE HAD ON
OUR PROGRAM SOME TIME AGO,
WHO HAD CATALOGED 300 PEOPLE
THAT HAD HELL EXPERIENCES WHO
DIED ON HIM CLINICALLY WHILE
HE WAS WORKING ON THEM. AND
HE LISTENED TO THEM TALKING
ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE SEEING.
AND EVENTUALLY THESE STORIES
SCARED HIM SO MUCH THAT
HE BECAME A CHRISTIAN HIMSELF.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT
THE BIBLE SAYS THERE ARE
TWO PLACES WE GO TO...
WE CAN GO TO: ONE IS TO
HEAVEN, ONE IS TO HELL, OR
RIGHT NOW HADES, WHICH WILL
BE THROWN INTO HELL LATER ON.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING TO
THOSE WHO HAVE PUT THEIR FAITH
IN THE SON OF GOD, JESUS
CHRIST, WHO HAS THE POWER TO
SAVE THEM, THE ONE WHO DIED
FOR THEIR SINS AND WILL
FORGIVE THEM AND GIVE EACH
PERSON THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF
CHRIST HIMSELF SO THEY CAN
STAND BEFORE GOD AND HE ALSO
COMES INTO THEIR LIFE.
AND WHEN WE COME TO THIS TIME
OF DEATH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT FOR
THE CHRISTIAN. AND I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT THIS FOR
THE CHRISTIAN, BUT I WANT
FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE TO
KNOW NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING
TO HEAVEN AUTOMATICALLY.
YOU DON'T GO THERE BY DEFAULT.
HOW DO YOU GO TO HEAVEN?
LET'S START WITH THAT.
>>LUTZER: WELL, OF COURSE,
YOU KNOW, THE REAL BASIS IS
THE FACT OF JESUS CHRIST,
AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, BECAUSE
HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS
THE KEYS OF DEATH AND OF
HADES, THE BIBLE SAYS. AND
MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR
US TO RECOGNIZE WHY JESUS
CHRIST IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM
ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE.
BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE
FROM OTHER RELIGIONS SAYING,
"WELL, I TRUST MY PROPHET.
I TRUST MY GURU. WHY JESUS?"
SO LET ME EXPLAIN.
JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO
IS QUALIFIED TO ACTUALLY BE
A SAVIOR. PROPHETS AND GURUS
MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU
HOW TO LIVE, BUT THEY CANNOT
WIPE AWAY YOUR SIN.
JESUS HIMSELF WAS SINLESS;
AND BECAUSE, YOU SEE,
HE WAS SINLESS, AND BECAUSE
HE WAS BOTH GOD AND MAN,
HE WAS ABLE TO BRING US
TOGETHER. AND HIS DEATH WAS
A SACRIFICE THAT GOD
THE FATHER ACCEPTED TOTALLY.
I LOVE THESE WORDS.
WHEN JESUS WAS ON THE CROSS
HE SAID, "IT IS FINISHED!"
AND I SAY RIGHT NOW TO THOSE
WHO ARE LISTENING, IF YOU
BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST PAID
FOR SIN, AND YOU RECEIVE
HIS PAYMENT AND RECEIVE HIM,
YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN.
AND PERHAPS LATER ON IN
THE SHOW WE CAN EVEN TALK
MORE ABOUT THE ASSURANCE THAT
COMES WITH THAT. BUT HOW
BLESSED IT IS. THAT'S WHY
THE APOSTLE PAUL COULD SAY,
"FOR ME TO LIVE IS CHRIST
AND TO DIE IS GAIN."
SO, FOR THE CHRISTIAN,
DEATH IS A BLESSING.
>>ANKERBERG: YES, AND WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT FOR
THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN FIGURES
OF SPEECH THAT THE BIBLE USES,
AND ONE OF THEM IS IT'S
A DEPARTURE.
>>LUTZER: EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN JESUS WAS ON
THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION,
AND, OF COURSE, PETER, JAMES
AND JOHN WERE THERE, AND MOSES
AND ELIJAH. IT SAYS THAT
THEY TALKED ABOUT HIS EXODUS
THAT HE WAS TO ACCOMPLISH
IN JERUSALEM. THE WORD
"EXODUS" IS DEPARTURE.
AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW ABOUT
THE EXODUS IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT. SO I LIKE TO THINK
OF IT THIS WAY, THAT JUST LIKE
MOSES LED THE CHILDREN OF
ISRAEL OVER THE RED SEA
AND THEY DEPARTED EGYPT
FOR THE PROMISED LAND,
IN THE VERY SAME WAY JESUS
LEADS US ACROSS THAT RIVER.
HE TAKES US TO THE OTHER SIDE.
IN FACT, JOHN, THIS IS SO
EXCITING. WE SOMETIMES TALK
ABOUT JESUS CHRIST MEETING US
ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE HAVE TO REALIZE
HE'S ALREADY WITH US ON THIS
SIDE IF WE KNOW HIM AS SAVIOR.
AND SO HE'S THE ONE WHO GUIDES
US THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE.
>>ANKERBERG: THE BIBLE ALSO
SAYS THAT DEATH IS A RESTFUL
SLEEP. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>>LUTZER: WELL, IT IS SPEAKING
THERE ABOUT THE FACT THAT
THE BODY IS LIKE IN A STATE
OF SLEEP. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE
LAST NIGHT I WENT TO BED
WITHOUT ANY FEAR AND I SLEPT
IN THE VERY SAME WAY.
I WOKE UP THIS MORNING IN
THE VERY SAME WAY. THE BODY
IS GOING TO BE RAISED AGAIN
IN THE DAY OF RESURRECTION.
NOW, I HAVE TO EMPHASIZE THERE
ARE MANY OF OUR FRIENDS WHO
THINK THAT THE SOUL ACTUALLY
SLEEPS, SO THEY THINK THAT
THERE'S NO CONSCIOUSNESS ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GRAVE
UNTIL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT,
THAT IS WRONG. FOR EXAMPLE,
WHEN JESUS WAS ON THE CROSS,
YOU REMEMBER, THE THIEF SAID,
"REMEMBER ME WHEN YOU COME
INTO YOUR KINGDOM." AND JESUS
SAID TO HIM, "TODAY YOU WILL
BE WITH ME IN PARADISE."
NOW, THERE ARE SOME OF THESE
FOLKS WHO SAY, "WELL, REALLY
WHAT JESUS MEANT WAS, "I SAY
TO YOU TODAY, YOU SHALL BE
WITH ME IN PARADISE."
BUT YOU KNOW THAT REALLY MAKES
NO SENSE. OBVIOUSLY HE WAS
SAYING THAT TO THE THIEF
THAT DAY. AND SO WHAT WE MUST
RECOGNIZE IS THAT, THAT VERY
DAY BOTH OF THEM DIED AND
THEY WERE TOGETHER IN
PARADISE. PAUL SAID,
AS I MENTIONED, "TO BE ABSENT
FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT
WITH THE LORD." PAUL WAS
EXPECTING AN IMMEDIATE
EXPERIENCE WITH JESUS
AT DEATH.
>>ANKERBERG: YES.
HE SAID IN PHILIPPIANS 1:23,
"I DESIRE TO DEPART AND TO BE
WITH CHRIST WHICH IS FAR
BETTER." THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS
THERE'S NO BREAK IN
CONSCIOUSNESS. I THINK
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT
A LITTLE BIT.
>>LUTZER: YES, I REALLY DO
BELIEVE THAT WE GO FROM THIS
LIFE TO THE NEXT LIFE WITHOUT
A BREAK IN CONSCIOUSNESS.
NOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO BE
VERY CAREFUL ABOUT NEAR-DEATH
EXPERIENCES BECAUSE SOMETIMES
THEY ARE DECEPTIVE.
BUT YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE DIED
WITHOUT A LOT OF ANESTHESIA
THEY ACTUALLY BEGAN TO
SEE INTO THE NEXT WORLD.
DWIGHT L. MOODY, WHO WAS
THE FOUNDER OF THE CHURCH OF
WHICH I HAVE BEEN THE PASTOR,
BEFORE HE DIED HE SAID,
"EARTH RECEDES, HEAVEN OPENS.
IF THIS BE DEATH IT IS
GLORIOUS." SO HE ACTUALLY WAS
ABLE ALREADY TO SEE INTO
THE NEXT WORLD. AND AS
A RESULT OF THAT HE RECOGNIZED
THAT HE WAS CONSCIOUS, FULLY
CONSCIOUS, IN THIS LIFE AND
THE SOUL, OR WE COULD SAY
THE MIND, CONTINUES ON
IN THE LIFE TO COME.
SO THERE IS REALLY NO BREAK
IN CONSCIOUSNESS.
>>ANKERBERG: AND WE'RE GOING
TO TALK ON ANOTHER PROGRAM,
IN ANOTHER PROGRAM UP AHEAD,
ABOUT WHAT KIND OF BODY
WE HAVE, AND WE'RE GOING
TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS,
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.
BUT, FOLKS, YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO WANT TO MISS THIS NEXT
SEGMENT; BECAUSE MANY OF YOU
HAVE ACHES AND PAINS,
AND YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH
PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW. AND
GOD PROVIDES ENCOURAGEMENT
FOR YOU, SOMETHING TO LOOK
FORWARD TO. AND I WANT ERWIN
TO TALK ABOUT A COLLAPSING
TENT, A FIGURE OF SPEECH
THAT IS USED IN THE BIBLE
ABOUT OUR BODIES, HOW THAT
APPLIES TO US AND THE GOOD
NEWS THAT'S A PART OF
THESE VERSES. SO STICK WITH
US. WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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>>ANKERBERG: ALRIGHT, WE'RE
BACK. WE'RE TALKING WITH
DR. ERWIN LUTZER, AND WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT
TOPIC: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
TO YOU ONE MINUTE AFTER
YOU DIE? WHAT WILL YOU SEE?
WHAT WILL YOU EXPERIENCE?
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
THE BIBLE SAYS, WHAT JESUS
CHRIST TAUGHT. AND IN
THIS SEGMENT I WANT TO TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE
OF YOU THAT ARE SUFFERING.
DO YOU HAVE A BODY THAT'S
WEAK, TIRED? ARE YOU
EXPERIENCING ACHES AND PAINS
AND IT'S CHRONIC? IT NEVER
GOES AWAY. IS YOUR BODY
ACTUALLY COLLAPSING ALL AROUND
YOU AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT
YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT,
AND YOU SEE DEATH COMING UP
IN THE FUTURE?
ERWIN, YOU'VE GOT TWO GREAT
ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WILL
ENCOURAGE US, THOSE OF US THAT
HAVE ACHES AND PAINS, OF HOW
GOD PROVIDES FOR US EACH STEP
OF THE WAY. ONE OF THE THINGS
THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT IS THAT
OUR BODY IS LIKE A COLLAPSING
TENT. EXPLAIN THAT.
>>LUTZER: YOU KNOW, JOHN,
I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE
A GREAT ENCOURAGEMENT TO
PEOPLE; THAT IS, PEOPLE WHO
HAVE BELIEVED ON JESUS CHRIST.
THE APOSTLE PAUL TELLS US THAT
OUR BODY IS LIKE A COLLAPSING
TENT. FOR EXAMPLE,
IN SECOND CORINTHIANS 5:1
HE SAYS, "FOR WE KNOW THAT
IF THE EARTHLY TENT WHICH IS
OUR HOUSE IS TORN DOWN,
WE HAVE A BUILDING FROM GOD,
A HOUSE NOT MADE WITH HANDS,
ETERNAL IN THE HEAVENS."
ALL OF US KNOW WHAT A TENT IS
LIKE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'VE BEEN
IN A TENT FOR A LONG WHILE
AND THE TENT GETS OLD,
YOU FIND THAT SOME OF IT
GETS RIPPED; THERE ARE HOLES
WHERE THE RAIN COMES THROUGH.
AND YOU SAY TO YOURSELF,
"I NEED SOMETHING MORE
PERMANENT. I NEED A HOME."
AND YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF US
ARE GETTING OLDER. ALL OF US
FEEL THE ACHES AND PAINS THAT
COME WITH OLD AGE.
BUT HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.
YOU KNOW THE APOSTLE PAUL ALSO
SAID THAT "THE SUFFERING OF
THIS PRESENT WORLD IS NOT
WORTHY TO BE COMPARED WITH
THE GLORY THAT SHALL BE
REVEALED IN US." AND I SAY TO
THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING TODAY
THAT, AS A BELIEVER IN
JESUS CHRIST, REMEMBER THIS:
TIME IS SHORT, ETERNITY IS
LONG. AND WHEN YOU DIE
YOUR SPIRIT WILL GO INTO
GOD'S PRESENCE. YOU WILL BE
WITH JESUS. YOU WILL BE
FULLY CONSCIOUS. BUT AT
THE SAME TIME IN THE FUTURE
THERE'S GOING TO BE
A RESURRECTION AND YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE A NEW BODY,
AN ETERNAL HOUSE, IF WE CAN
USE THAT IMAGERY, AND WE'RE
GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT
THAT IN A FUTURE BROADCAST.
>>ANKERBERG: RIGHT.
>>LUTZER: NOW, THE OTHER IMAGE
IS THAT OF A DEPARTING SHIP.
>>ANKERBERG: I LIKE THIS ONE,
ERWIN, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE EVER
GONE ON A CRUISE, ONE OF
THE NEATEST MOMENTS IS WHEN
THEY ACTUALLY CAST OFF
THE LINES AND YOU START TO
FEEL THE BOAT SLIP AWAY FROM
THE SHORE. GO WITH THAT.
>>LUTZER: YOU KNOW,
THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS THAT
"THE TIME OF MY DEPARTURE
HAS COME." AND THAT IMAGERY
REALLY IS OF A SHIP THAT IS
ON ITS WAY. AND THEN
HEBREWS CHAPTER 6 PICKS
THIS IMAGERY UP IN
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WAY.
IT SAYS THAT "WE HAVE
AN ANCHOR FOR THE SOUL."
BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT
JESUS IS THE FORERUNNER.
SO LET'S LISTEN TO THIS VERY
CAREFULLY. HERE'S THE IMAGERY.
IT REALLY IS BASED ON
OLD TESTAMENT TIMES AND NEW
TESTAMENT TIMES. WHEN A SHIP
WOULD COME INTO HARBOR
THERE WOULD BE ROCKS ON
EITHER SIDE, AND THERE WOULD
BE SOME DANGER. A FORERUNNER
WOULD HOP OFF OF THE SHIP,
RUN AHEAD, TAKE A ROPE WITH
HIM AND THEN, WITH AN ANCIENT
WINCH, WOULD ACTUALLY BRING
THE SHIP INTO THE HARBOR
SO THAT IT WOULD NOT BE
DASHED TO PIECES. AND THAT'S
WHAT JESUS HAS DONE.
AND I SAY TO PEOPLE TODAY,
YOUR TENT MAY BE COLLAPSING,
YOUR SHIP, THE BOARDS MAY BE
CREAKING. YOU MIGHT FIND THAT
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU THINK
THAT YOU WON'T MAKE IT TO
THE HARBOR. BUT IF YOUR FAITH
IS IN JESUS, HE WENT AHEAD
OF US. HE ENTERED HEAVEN.
AND HE IS SAYING TO US NOW,
"I'M HERE FOR YOU AND WILL
GUIDE YOU SAFELY ALL THE WAY
HOME." WHAT A SAVIOR WE HAVE!
>>ANKERBERG: NOW, FOLKS, SOME
OF YOU ARE IN NURSING HOMES.
SOME OF YOU ARE YOUNG IN
THE SENSE THAT YOUR MOM, YOUR
DAD DIED AND YOU'RE LONELY.
AND AS YOU COME TOWARD THE END
OF YOUR LIFE, SOMETIMES
BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEMS THAT
WE'RE IN, IN DIFFERENT PARTS
OF THE WORLD, WE GET INTO
THESE NURSING HOMES. AND IT'S
HARD FOR THE RELATIVES TO COME
AND SEE YOU, AND YOU'RE THERE
ALL ALONE. AND, ERWIN,
GOD TALKS ABOUT HEAVEN
AS BEING A HOME THAT
HE'S GOING TO BRING US TO.
TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE IMAGERY
THAT'S CONNECTED WITH
THESE WORDS.
>>LUTZER: WELL, YOU KNOW,
THOSE BEAUTIFUL PROMISES FROM JESUS THAT YOU'RE
REFERRING TO OCCUR IN
THE 14TH CHAPTER OF JOHN,
WHEN HE SAID TO THE DISCIPLES,
"IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD,
BELIEVE ALSO IN ME." AND THEN
HE SAYS, "IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE
THERE ARE MANY DWELLING
PLACES. IF IT WERE NOT SO
I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU.
I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR
YOU, AND IF I GO AND PREPARE
A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME
AGAIN AND RECEIVE YOU TO
MYSELF SO THAT WHERE I AM
THERE YOU MAY BE ALSO."
NOW, IN A FUTURE PROGRAM WE'RE
GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT
HEAVEN AND ALL OF THE DWELLING
PLACES AND WHAT THAT MIGHT
LOOK LIKE. BUT ISN'T IT
WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW,
TO THE PERSON THERE WHO IS
LONELY, WHO FEELS ABANDONED
BY THEIR FRIENDS. I THINK
THAT IT IS VERY SAD,
BUT MANY PEOPLE DIE ALONE,
THAT IF THEIR FAITH AND TRUST
IS IN JESUS THEY HAVE
THE ASSURANCE THAT AT LAST
THEY HAVE A SPECIAL HOME AND
JESUS CHRIST IS THERE WITH
THEM. WHAT A MARVELOUS HOPE
THAT IS. AND WE CAN HAVE
THE ASSURANCE THAT WHEN WE DIE
WE WILL INDEED BE
WITH CHRIST.
>>ANKERBERG: LET'S TALK ABOUT
ASSURANCE, BECAUSE A LOT OF
PEOPLE LACK ASSURANCE FOR ONE
REASON OR ANOTHER. THERE ARE
SOME CHRISTIANS THAT HOLD
THAT THERE IS NOT A HOME
IMMEDIATELY; THERE'S A PLACE
CALLED PURGATORY THAT
THEY MUST GO TO FIRST.
OTHERS HAVE HEARD THAT
YOU PUT YOUR FAITH IN JESUS,
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SUCH
A COMMITMENT THAT YOU LIVE
A LIFE THAT'S ABSOLUTELY
PERFECT OR CLOSE TO IT;
YOU HAVE TO EXAMINE YOUR WORKS
TO SEE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY
IN THE FAITH. TALK ABOUT
THE ERROR IN BOTH OF THOSE.
>>LUTZER: I'M SO GLAD TO BE
ABLE TO SAY THIS, JOHN, THAT
THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY
IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
THE REASON THAT IT AROSE
IN MEDIEVAL TIMES WAS THIS.
THERE WAS THE BELIEF IN
THE CHURCH THAT WE ARE SAVED
THROUGH THE SACRAMENTS
AND THROUGH OUR GOOD WORKS.
SO PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT THERE
WERE MANY WHO DIED WHO WERE
TOO GOOD TO GO TO HELL,
BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO GO
TO HEAVEN. SO AS A RESULT OF
THAT THEY FELT THAT YOU HAD
TO SUFFER AND BE PURGED IN
PURGATORY, IN THE FIRES OF
PURGATORY, AND THEN AFTER
THAT PURGING YOU WOULD FINALLY
BE GOOD ENOUGH TO GO TO
HEAVEN. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS
IS THIS, THAT WHEN WE TRUST
JESUS CHRIST AS OUR SAVIOR,
HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS CREDITED
TO US. AND THERE IS
NO PURGATORY; WE GO DIRECTLY
FROM THIS LIFE TO THE NEXT.
PURGATORY DOES NOT EXIST.
SO THERE IS NO THIRD
CLASSIFICATION, HEAVEN, HELL,
PURGATORY. NOW, REGARDING
THE MATTER OF ASSURANCE
WHICH IS SO CRITICAL.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN I FLY
I FLY STANDBY.
THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE
A TICKET. I DON'T HAVE
A PLACE ON THE PLANE,
BUT I'M HOPING THAT THERE
WILL BE AN EMPTY SEAT SO THAT
I CAN FLY. MOST OF THE TIMES
I HAVE A TICKET.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A TICKET
YOU AREN'T NERVOUS BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THERE'S A PLACE ON
THE PLANE FOR ME. NOW HERE'S
THE GOOD NEWS: WHEN PEOPLE
RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS
THEIR SAVIOR THAT IS THEIR
TICKET. THERE IS A PLACE
RESERVED IN HEAVEN JUST
FOR YOU. IMAGINE THAT.
AND THE WAY IN WHICH WE HAVE
ASSURANCE IS THIS, THAT IF WE
BELIEVE THAT WHEN JESUS DIED
ON THE CROSS HE DID ALL THAT
EVER WILL BE NECESSARY FOR US
TO BE FORGIVEN AND TO BELONG
TO GOD FOREVER, AND WE RECEIVE
THAT AS OUR OWN, THEN WE NOT
ONLY ARE SAVED, BUT WE KNOW
IT. AND THE BASIS OF
OUR ASSURANCE IS NOT ON
OUR PERFORMANCE, WHICH IS
SO FLAWED. THE BASIS IS
THE PROMISES OF JESUS THAT
"HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS
ETERNAL LIFE." IT'S ALL ABOUT
BELIEVING IN CHRIST AND NOT
IN OURSELVES. AND EVEN OVER
OUR SINS WHICH WE OFTEN
STRUGGLE WITH, IMPORTANT
THOUGH THAT IS, THE REAL ISSUE
IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE
TRUSTED CHRIST. HE'S THE ONE
WHO BRINGS US ALL THE WAY
TO THE FATHER.
>>ANKERBERG: YES AND FOLKS IF
YOU'RE WATCHING AND YOU SAY
LOOK, I REALIZE I'M A SINNER
AND I WANT TO PUT MY BELIEF
IN CHRIST. HOW DO I DO THAT?
YOU SAY A PRAYER AND YOU ADMIT
THAT YOU ARE A SINNER TO
THE LORD AND YOU PUT YOUR
TRUST IN HIM. AND I WANT TO
ASK ERWIN TO SAY THIS PRAYER
AND IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT
YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST AND ASK
HIM TO SAVE YOU, I'D ASK YOU
TO PRAY ALONG AS ERWIN PRAYS.
>>LUTZER: FATHER, I KNOW THAT
I AM A SINNER. I KNOW THAT
I AM BOUND FOR HELL AND
I ALSO KNOW THAT I DESERVE IT.
BUT AT THIS MOMENT I THANK YOU
THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS
AND ROSE AGAIN. AND BECAUSE
HE IS A SAVIOR I THANK YOU
THAT ON THE CROSS HE BORE
MY HELL AND THEREFORE
I RECEIVE HIM AS MY SACRIFICE,
AS MY SAVIOR. I RECEIVE HIM
AS MY LORD AND I PUT MY FAITH
AND CONFIDENCE IN WHAT
HE HAS DONE FOR ME.
THANK YOU THAT HE DIED AND WAS
RAISED AGAIN FOR ME.
I RECEIVE THAT AS MINE.
IN JESUS' BLESSED NAME, AMEN.
>>ANKERBERG: IT'S TREMENDOUS
STUFF. AND, FOLKS, AT THE END
OF OUR PROGRAM TODAY
WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU
A PLACE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT IF
YOU YOURSELF RIGHT NOW
WOULD LIKE TO PRAY AND INVITE
JESUS TO BE YOUR SAVIOR,
THERE'S A PLACE FOR YOU JUST
TO CLICK ON AND THERE'LL BE
A PRAYER THAT YOU CAN SAY
WITH ALL SINCERITY TO GOD,
AND THE LORD JESUS WILL
SAVE YOU. SO I WOULD ADVISE
YOU THAT IF GOD IS SPEAKING
TO YOU RIGHT NOW THAT YOU
DO THAT. AND NOW, NEXT WEEK
WE'RE REALLY GOING TO GET
INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENS TO YOU ONE MINUTE
AFTER YOU DIE. AND WE'RE GOING
TO SPECIFICALLY GET TO
WHAT HAPPENS AT THE POINT OF
TRANSITION. YOU'RE DYING;
YOU ACTUALLY DIE; WHAT HAPPENS
IN THE TRANSITION FROM DEATH
TO HEAVEN, OR DEATH TO HELL?
WHAT HAPPENS TO EVERY PERSON
THAT HAS EVER LIVED OR
WILL LIVE? I HOPE THAT
YOU'LL JOIN US THEN.
>>ANNOUNCER: STAY TUNED
FOR SCENES FROM
NEXT WEEK'S PROGRAM.
>>ANNOUNCER: IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN
OUR NEW SERIES, "WHAT WILL
HAPPEN TO YOU ONE MINUTE AFTER
YOU DIE?" ALL 4 TELEVISION
PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE ON DVD
FOR A GIFT OF $49.
WHAT INFORMATION HAS GOD GIVEN
TO US SO THAT WE CAN OVERCOME
OUR FEAR OF DEATH?
WHAT WILL HAPPEN THE MOMENT
YOU MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM
LIFE, TO DEATH, TO HEAVEN?
AND WHAT ABOUT THE DEATH OF
INFANTS? WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN
WILL MY CHILD KNOW ME?
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM NOW?
ALL 4 TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN
THIS SERIES ARE AVAILABLE ON
DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49.
THEN WE TAPED A SECOND SERIES
CALLED, "WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO
YOU ONE MINUTE AFTER YOU
DIE?" PART 2, WHERE WE ANSWER
THE QUESTIONS: FOR THOSE WHO
ARE CHRISTIANS, WHAT WILL
HEAVEN BE LIKE YOU'RE FIRST
HOUR IN GLORY? FOR THOSE WHO
HAVE NOT BELIEVED IN CHRIST,
THE DESCENT INTO GLOOM:
WHAT WILL HELL BE LIKE?
IS GOD REALLY IN CONTROL OF
HOW AND WHEN YOU DIE?
WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIANS WHO
COMMIT SUICIDE?
WILL THEY BE IN HEAVEN?
AND HOW CAN YOU HAVE COMPLETE
ASSURANCE YOU ARE GOING TO
HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE?
ALL 4 TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN
THIS SERIES, ARE AVAILABLE ON
DVD FOR A GIFT OF $49.
THEN WE ARE MAKING AVAILABLE
TWO OTHER SERIES WITH
DR. LUTZER.
FIRST, "WHERE DO WE GO FROM
HERE?" IN WHICH HE DOCUMENTS
5 DISTURBING CULTURAL TRENDS
THAT MAY BE IRREVERSIBLE
UNLESS GOD STEPS IN;
AND SECOND, "FAITH AT
THE BREAKING POINT" -
5 UNSHAKEABLE BIBLICAL TRUTHS
CHRISTIANS CAN HANG ON TO IN
A WORLD OF CHAOS AND DECLINE.
EACH OF THESE SERIES IS
AVAILABLE FOR $39.
AND FINALLY, IF YOU WISH TO
ORDER ALL 4 OF THESE SERIES,
CONTAINING 14 HALF HOUR
TELEVISION PROGRAMS, THEY ARE
AVAILABLE TOGETHER IN
A SPECIAL PACKAGE FOR ONLY
$100 U.S. THOSE OF YOU LIVING
IN AMERICA OR CANADA,
YOU MAY ORDER THIS PROGRAMS
BY CALLING US AT
1-800-805-3030.
THAT'S 1-800-805-3030.
IF YOU LIVE IN OTHER
COUNTRIES, YOU MAY ORDER
THESE PROGRAMS AT OUR WEBSITE
AT JASHOW.ORG.
NEXT WEEK ON
THE JOHN ANKERBERG SHOW:
>>DR. ERWIN LUTZER:
WHEN WE DIE THERE IS
NO BREAK IN CONSCIOUSNESS.
WE EITHER GO TO HADES,
WHICH EVENTUALLY WILL BE CAST
INTO HELL OR WE GO DIRECTLY
TO PARADISE OR HEAVEN IN
THE PRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.
>>ANNOUNCER: AND TO LEARN
HOW TO START A RELATIONSHIP
WITH JESUS CHRIST GO TO
OUR WEBSITE AT JASHOW.ORG
AND CLICK ON:
"PRAY TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST
AS YOUR SAVIOR."
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